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Mar 19, 2013 9:00am PDT
declare same-sex marriage unconstitutional. finally, to your point, joy, about religion and you know, religious traditions, it will be interesting to see how the catholic church handles this in the coming years. i heard a little more wiggle room than perhaps you heard. i heard him saying this is not -- eight years ago, you would have heard republicans making demeaning, dismissive, derisive -- >> the tone of it was i'm trapped here, i'm an old guy, who believes what i believe. i'm kind of trapped here. >> he might resemble your remark, jacob, more than you think. he might be there with his conscience more than you think. >> were you for gay marriage when you ran for senate? >> i've had like many americans have had an evolution on this over the past six years, living here in new york, my wife has help immediate understand this i differently. it didn't really bother me who got married. but where i came from, my pastor told me and my church told me there was one way. and the older i got and the smarter i got and the more mature i got and i married a smart woman. >> uh-huh. >> all right,
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